So far, I have presented my hypothesis that Flights 11 and 77 never flew that day, Flight 175 flew to Cleveland and Flight 93 landed safely somewhere in Pennsylvania. I also state my beliefs that the World Trade Centers One and Two were struck by small planes, drones or missiles and that a plane nearly struck the Pentagon.
I believe passengers got on board Flights 175 and 93 and deplaned as well. The passengers associated with Flight 11 were on Flight 175 and some of the passengers associated with Flight 77 assisted the plotters, most likely in planting evidence at the Pentagon.
continued at Expanding the No Hijacker Hypothesis – 9/11 Scholars Forum.
[Editor's Note: additional material added to this post on 7/18/2010]
Todd Beamer
Also
http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2007/10/todd-beamers-odd-phone-call-and-silent.html
Flight 93 ‘was shot down’ claims book
“The Mystery of Flight 93″ by Nick Kollerstrom, PhD
Let me make it clear that I'm just giving my take. I respect your intelligence and your line of inquiry.
I think you should devote much more review / discussion toward the alleged telephone conversations. Whether there were from mobile (Cell) phones, or from airplane seatbacks (GTE?), I think most of them did involve the persons alleged, even if the call wasn't from a plane, or if perhaps the plane wasn't in a high altitude.
The maddening thing is that, with proper investigative / subpoena power, we could find out critical informaiton we are currently missing about the location, timing, and other details of the calls.
The speculation from DRG about voice morphing or otherwise fake calls has not been constructive.
As an example of what should be reviewed: Upon close examination, the call from Todd Beamer, which was passed on to connect to Lisa Jefferson , seem to involve a scripted acting job on Todd's part. A particular damning detail is that Todd specifically did not want to have his call connected to his wife.
We know that the all four flights involved lies about physical planes at crash sites and where / if they crashed. We just need to build on that without pinning on unsubstantiated claims.
I also have doubts about taking the position that a particular flight was not scheduled to fly that day or that it did not depart the alleged airport.
Thanks, Bill!
To believe that the actual named passengers called, we would have to believe they made cell calls from the ground or low altitudes or that they used air phones; that they were duped or willing to deceive the person receiving the call or that the receiver was in on the plot as well.
All we know about the alleged Beamer call is through Lisa Jefferson, who has said she did not tape the call. Many of the other calls are only known via the alleged receiver. The few that have been taped and made public are hard to determine whether they have been faked or not.
A good point made by A.K. Dewdney in his article at http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93, is that some of the calls made appeared to contradict others. In one of the later calls, a passenger expresses surprise at hearing that there had been other hijacks, whereas an earlier passenger told someone on the phone that he and others knew of the other hijacks. In other words, it may be in the inconsistency of the phone calls that fakery can be determined.
As for flights scheduled or leaving, I will stand by the BTS records unless someone can convince me there is something wrong with them. If the plotters tampered with the BTS to make it show that two flights were not scheduled, they did a poor job of covering up.
Dean Hartwell
More discussion concerning Todd Beamer can be found here: http://911truth.wetpaint.com/page/9%2F11+Conspira…
Bill,
This is good information on Todd Beamer. Taken as a whole, it appears that (1) Beamer was a real person, (2) he worked for Oracle, and (3) at least one person from Oracle had the "inside information" on the Beamer legend before he could reasonably have learned of it.
If we believe this account, does this help us to understand any other alleged passengers? Like Glick. Or does it even paint a larger picture about all of the passengers on the flight? The conversation with Lisa Jefferson, as you earlier suggested, appears contrived. The story of his call did not come out until some days later and was not recorded, which leads me to believe that at least some of the "calls" were never made to begin with.
What do you think?
Dean,
Re: Beamer, calls on 9/11
For me, the fact that evidence is not adduced to show the 4 flights crashed at the locations they were claimed to, along with the odd demolitions at the WTC, is enough to outcry for the need for a honest investigation.
I'm fascinated by the "hijackings", hijackers, and ATC verbal traffic, and phone calls. I don't have any theories about the passengers and phone calls other than the idea that all researchers should look for ways to dig deeper into the evidence, as you are doing.
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